Father Michael K. Holleran wrote three pieces for discovermagazine.com in the fall of 2006. His other essays are here and here. Commenting is now closed.
In the current debate between science and religion, Plato’s Symposium has a lot to offer. Not because the philosophers at the event talked about science in any modern sense (they didn’t), nor because the discussion was invested with a proper dose of academic gravitas (it wasn’t). On the contrary, it was a drinking party, and everyone was having a good time. In fact, that is what symposium actually means in the original Greek. And this has much to teach us. First of all, it reminds us that we should exhibit the good fellowship and enthusiasm of brothers and sisters (OK, they excluded women in those days) and of kindred explorers of the boundless marvels of the universe. Allied with this, it proposes that reality is a banquet (a frequent alternate translation of “symposium”)—unbelievably tasty and enormously filling. The image and implication of intoxication is a telling one since one can and should be inebriated and delighted by the splendor of the real, as opposed to sinking into the dour servitude of gouty dogmatism of whatever flavor.
If we adopt this stance, we discover that not just love but also truth is a “many-splendored thing.” That is a primary lesson we need to grasp before proceeding any further in the debate between science and religion. We need to stretch our minds and hearts and let them roam free outside of the narrow prisons and blinkered perspectives in which we tend to incarcerate them, and let ourselves embrace and be braced by the currents of reality around us. When I was in college, a little-known work by Jacques Maritain was my secular bible and vade mecum: The Degrees of Knowledge. To return to the metaphor, this volume spread out the full, sumptious repast of reality, from electrons to the empyrean, with dazzling epistemological virtuosity, illustrating in detail how each level of our experience of the real, from empirical science to mysticism, has its own rules of exploration. It taught how to savor everything on the table, and to escape the inevitable indigestion or starvation that would result from eating only dessert or appetizers.
So, as we enter the dining hall, let us begin by establishing our rules of etiquette, our epistemological table manners, so to speak. Those who prefer appetizers (science, let us say—no value judgment implied!) have every right to their tastes, and they may refrain from dessert, if they wish (religion, let us suppose). Others may leap right to the dessert, and skip the appetizers. Many will say, perhaps rightly, that both groups are missing out on something tasty; but, what they eat is their own decision. What we cannot allow is a discourse in which one group chastises the other as idiots or hypocrites because of their particular preference. De gustibus non disputandum. So, both science and religion beware!
What therefore might the intellectual gourmet’s assessment of these various courses, whether in the culinary or university sense? Modern civilization has discovered (despite its roots in Aristotle, who didn’t yet make all the necessary distinctions) the magnificence and the unimaginable fruitfulness of empirical science, and its mathematical models. The scientific method, based on observation, hypothesis, and experiment, has rightly brought untold benefits into our lives. It has its proper object—material and measurable reality—and its particular methods. Similarly, religion has brought almost unfathomable depth, excitement, perspective, guidance, and compassion into the world. It, too, has its own object (God and the spirit world, and all in relation to God) and its own methods (ultimately human spiritual experience), though often employing philosophical systems or artistic means to help express the inexpressible. Of course, since notoriously fallible and fickle human beings are the ones who actually practice science or religion, much that is nasty has been introduced in the name of both (nuclear bombs and inquisitions, for example). Yet that is not a defect of the food but of the diners and their appetites—not a fault of the field itself but of those who are walking in the field.
Still, if these various fields yield wondrous crops within their own spheres, their seeds will not sprout outside of them. Science, for example, never can nor ever should speak about God. It is completely outside its realm of competence. The existence and operations of God can never be either proved or disproved by science. The experience of God, however, or discourse about God, is certainly not outside the competence of human beings, with their multilayered reality. Thus, although science cannot speak about God, a scientist may do so, if she or he wishes, only simply not as a scientist, but as a person. For the same reasons, God neither can nor should be invoked within scientific discourse, as a cause or explanation of any sort, simply because God is not an object of empirical science, and can never be proved scientifically. It does not mean that God may not be a legitimate cause on another level of discourse (philosophical, theological, or mystical). But God should not be called in to bail out or short-circuit science in its own domain.
The problems arise, of course, when there is an apparent conflict of interests, when one seems to be treading on the other’s turf. In other words, the boundaries among these various categories of discourse, or rather, our perception and understanding of them, may often be somewhat sloppy and in need of challenge. Such difficulties have arisen quite spectacularly in history on a number of occasions (Galileo and Darwin, for example, which we can explore another time in more detail). In these instances, what seemed to have been the province of religion turned out to be the province of science. Or, to express it differently, these clashes provided an enormously exhilarating opportunity for those with open minds to re-examine their understanding of certain elements of their religious belief, and grow to a maturity of appreciation that was unthinkable before. Thus, the whole reassessment, over the past 200 years, of how to read the scriptures in Christianity—not as treatises in science or history but as bearers of spiritual insight and truth—was facilitated, and to a degree, even made possible, by the scientific revolution. To be sure, as Francis Collins rightly asserts in his Discover Interview in the February issue, St. Augustine reminded his readers 1,600 years ago that our understanding of the six days of Genesis should never be slavishly literal (in fact, Origen had pointed out the same more than a century before that), or taken to be a scientific or historical eyewitness account of how events unfolded. Rather are we dealing with a mythical and mystical treatise whose depth of truth is vastly more challenging and astonishing as a metaphor of our spiritual journey than just as an account, however glorious and poetic, of the origins of our material universe. Immense and innumerable currents of Jewish and Christian mystical writing bear this out. And, as the Dalai Lama has famously said in recent years, if other beliefs of religion were to be challenged by science, then, upon examination, we would have to humbly integrate the insights, certain that religion itself would only profit in the end.
Historically speaking, however, we know that proponents neither of religion nor of science often exhibited this tranquil breadth of spirit, this self-possessed openness to challenge and change, that circumstances genuinely required. Indeed, official positions and widespread popular understanding were often rife with fear and its concomitant dogmatism, and this remains so today in many quarters. Once again, however, this is the fault of the practitioners, and not of science or of religion itself.
Another possible area of conflict, which is considerably more contentious, is that of morality. I would propose that scientific research is intrinsically amoral; by its own rules, science would simply go out and do whatever it is capable of doing at any time. This is a limitation, but not a fault. Problems arise, however, because its object is often part of a much more complex reality. For example, not only do people do science, but people are often the object of science. What is more, they are not simply the subjects and objects of science, they are also the subjects and objects of psychology, art, ethics, philosophy, theology, and mysticism. Hence, these other levels of exploration and discourse have the right not to do science but to challenge the scientist, when a value known and embraced at another level is threatened by a science that is fundamentally without values. This is obviously the case in the life sciences: biotechnology, biochemistry, etc. Even if cloning, stem cell research, and reproductive advances represent scientific progress, are they truly and necessarily progress for the totality of the human person and for life in society? These are crucial questions that have to be faced out of respect for the complexity of our human and epistemological reality. But likewise, there must be caution on the other end of the spectrum: Are we so sure about our ethical and spiritual understanding of the human person that we would be justified in imposing limits on science in such and such a case? Humility and circumspection are needed on both sides.
Perhaps what is best in our humanity is what can likewise help reconcile science and religion in practice: the sense of wonder, of openness, of exploration, the exhilarating intoxication that I mentioned above. These sentiments are the inspiration, both Maritain and I would argue, for both science and religion—indeed for any passionate pursuit. Grounded in this sort of breadth of spirit, which is secure, serene, and confident in itself, we can hopefully learn—
whether in science or in religion or in any human endeavor—not only to tolerate but to glory in the experience of not knowing. The feverish demand for instant certitude seems a Western neurosis. After all, whether we consider ourselves loyal scientists or loyal members of a religious tradition or both, an awestruck sense of respect before the unknown is the only loyal attitude towards whatever reality is the object of our exploration. As Maritain pointed out, there is more mystery in a grape between the teeth than in all of our discourses that would attempt to explain it. So, may we avoid anorexia of the spirit, and let the “banquet” continue!
Truth's turf
zero points for nuance
The God Delusion
"As a scientist, I am hostile to fundamentalist religion because it actively debauches the scientific enterprise. It teaches us not to change our minds, and not want to know exciting things that are available to be known. It subverts science and saps the intellect." -- Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion
"In 2006 in Afghanistan, Abdul Rahman was sentenced to death for converting to Christianity. Did he kill anyone, hurt anybody, steal anything, damage anything? No. All he did was change his mind. Internally and privately, he changed his mind. He entertained certain thoughts which were not to the liking of the ruling party of his country. ... Mr Rahman finally escaped execution, but only on a plea of insanity, and only after intense international pressure." -- Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion
"Reverend Paul Hill and Reverned Michael Bray and their friends of the Army of God made no secret to set fire to abortion clinics. On 29 July 1994, Paul Hill took a shotgun and murdered Dr John Britton and his bodyguard James Barrett. ... Paul Hill and Michael Bray saw no moral difference between killing an embryo and killing a doctor except that the embryo was, to them, a blamelessly innocent 'baby'. The consequentialist sees all the difference in the world. An early embryo has the sentience, as well as the semblance, of a tadpole. A doctor is a grown-up conscious being with hopes, loves, aspirations, fears, a massive store of humane knowledge, the capacity for deep emotion, very probably a devastated widow and orphaned children, and perhaps elderly parents who dote on him." -- Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion
"Christianity, just as much as Islam, teaches children that unquestioned faith is a virtue. You don't have to make the case for what you believe. If somebody announces that it is part of his faith, is obliged, by ingrained custom, to 'respect' it without question; respect it until the day it manifests itself in a horrible massacre like the destruction of the World Trade Center, or the London or Madrid bombings. Then there is a great chorus of disownings, as clerics and 'community leaders' line up to explain that this extremism is a perversion of the 'true' faith. But how can there be a perversion of faith, if faith, lacking objective justification, doesn't have any demonstrable standard to pervert?" -- Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion
In his book, Richard Dawkins explores many deplorable aspects of religion and why, as atheists (humanists, intelligent and free-thinking individuals, agnostics) we must speak out against it. In effect, we atheists should not keep our mouths shut, crammed with Father Michael's proverbial appetizers, as we watch people feast on a religious dessert laced with intellectual and moral cyanide.
Indeed, perhaps the most chilling example in Dawkins' book comes from the mouths of children themselves. When retold the story of the battle of Jericho (from the book of Joshua), children were asked if Joshua and the Israelites acted rightly or not in utterly destroying all in the city: men, women, young, old, and their animals by the sword. A few responses from the 66% who said Joshua was acting properly:
* In my opinion, Joshua and the Sons of Israel acted well, and here are the reasons: God promised them this land, and gave them permission to conquer. If they would not have acted in this manner or killed anyone, then there would be danger that the Sons of Israel would have assimilated among the Goyim.
* In my opinion, Joshua was right when he did it, one reason being that God commanded him to exterminate the people so that the tribes of Israel will not be able to assimilate amongst them and learn their bad ways.
* Joshua did good because the people who inhabited the land were of a different religion, and when Joshua killed them he wiped their religion from the Earth.
Some of those children who believed Joshua was wrong to conquer Jericho also gave their reasons:
* I think it is bad, since the Arabs are impure and if one enters an impure land one will also become impure and share their curse.
* I think Joshua did not act well, as they could have spared the animals for themselves.
* I think Joshua did not act well, as he could have left the property of Jericho; if he had not destroyed the property it would have belonged to the Israelites.
Some parting thoughts: "All that is necessary for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing." -- Edmund Burke
True Religion?
I deeply deplore all the instances you mention, and appreciate your speaking out. That is also why I, as a religious person (if not a "good man"; who is to be the judge of that?), also feel the need to speak out.
Yet, one of Dawkins' favorite arguments is included in your citation above: "How can there be a perversion of faith, if faith, lacking objective justification, doesn't have any demonstrable standard to pervert?" In other words, why should we believe the moderates rather than the fanatics, the intellectuals rather than the fundamentalists, the saints rather than the terrorists, since no one's claim to represent true religion can be taken more seriously than anyone else's?
This is nonsense. To mention just one brilliant study that I consider a classic, I refer to James Fowler's 1981 book, "The Stages of Faith". I would say his two main points are:
a) Absolutely everyone lives by faith, even if it is only by faith in themselves, or in science. Including Richard Dawkins, I might add.
b) Examining the religious phenomenon across history, we can helpfully discern six stages of faith maturity. Most never get beyond stage 3, which is an unquestioning and unyielding acceptance of their own tradition. But that is barely halfway there, still on the short side of struggle, compassion, wisdom, and the reconciliation of seeming opposites. And those are ideals for all of us, whether religious or not.
Equivocation
Another example: Everyone needs faith. You have faith when you sit down that your chair will hold you. You have faith in your own actions. You have faith in your friends, that they will support you. You have faith in what other people tell you. You have faith in the ideologies to which you adhere. You have faith in the reality in which you find yourself immersed. You have faith in your inner-most thoughts. And so now you have faith in God.
With James Fowler, the word "faith" subtly shifts in meaning across those six stages. Dress it up however you like, it remains equivocation.
Faith is typically "belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence." It makes no sense to say I have faith in gravity, or I have faith that my chair will hold me up. I have material evidence, and first hand experience.
Quotes on religion
Your information about the children surveyed lacks vital data to really be an important factor in this debate. First of all, what congregation or congregations were the children from. Did they have a common teacher, or was this spread among the whole range of Christian denominations in various geographical areas? How were the children questioned. Much research shows that, especially at younger ages, survey and interview respondants don't answer honestly, but rather try to give what they percieve to be the 'right' answer.
I myself am a science teacher, and a devout Catholic. I have always been encouraged to ask questions about my faith, to explore the world around me, and to critically examine what I believe and why. My faith is much stronger for it. To generalize religion as stifling questioning minds open to change when truth is obvious is a terribly inaccurate stereotype. Science, critical thought, and strong faith can all co-incide. There is a strong faith in Dawkins perspective. That is the faith that the universe is logical, predictable, and that through rational investigation we can know all there is to know about it, that nothing ultimately will remain a mystery given enough time and thorough investigation.
Finally, and this was taught to me by some of the wise faith leaders I have listened to, science can't contradict God. If God is a good creator who made all things, then our understanding of the universe that was created can only serve to deepen and clarify our image of the Creator. If scientific discovery challenges a widely held image or understanding of God, then the image must be examined and re-evaluated.
Of Logic and Straw Men
I believe you gave what is an excellent definition of the "straw man" attack. Instead of addressing the points that I have quoted against religion, albeit exclusively from a single source, you have simply attacked my using a single source and then placed an ad hominem attack of Richard Dawkins. For example, let's say you quoted the bible with a statement of moral value: "All killing is wrong because the bible says, 'Thou shalt not kill.'" Then I said, "Oh, yeah, well, the bible was your only source and the authors happen to be both relatively unknown and incoherently scattered over hundreds of years." Regardless whether what I said is true or not, I have not addressed the point of the original quote, which underpins your argument. Instead, I should have said, "What about killing in self-defense? Or 'Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live?'" That, then would provide an interesting counter-argument to your original, hypothetical, biblical rhetoric.
Regarding the questions you asked of the survey. 1) I presume a variety. 2) 1066 children (563 boys, 503 girls, aged 8 to 14) in Tel Aviv, in a village near Ramle, in Sharon, in the kibbutz Meuchad, and in other places. 3) I do not know how the questions were circulated (possibly read aloud); the answers were all written replies (most likely anonymous).
Also, like any good scientific study, there was a control group. 168 children were read the same passage (Joshua 6:20-21) with "General Lin" substituted for "Joshua" and a "Chinese Kingdom 3000 years ago" substituted for Isreal. Instead of the control group providing the same ratio of responses as the other children that were tested, the tables turned entirely. General Lin's actions got a 7% approval rating (vs. Joshua's 66%) while 75% disapproved (constrated with only 26% for Joshua -- and some of those of various twisted reasons).
Satisfy your curiosity further by reading Tamarin, G.R. 1966. "The Influence of Ethnic and Religious Prejudice on Moral Judgment." New Outlook, 9:1:49-58. And read Tamarin, G.R. 1973. "The Israeli Dilemma: Essays on a Warfare State." Rotterdam: Rotterdam University Press.
I agree. Science cannot contradict God. Because that would (1) presuppose that God exists; (2) imply "God" had said or done something that could be contradicted (which, again, presupposes God's existence). Now if you meant to say that "Science cannot disprove the existence of God", again I agree. On the same note, neither logic nor the scientific method can disprove the existence of little green men from Mars, pink elephants, and space-faring koala fangs from Betelguese.
Now there are a few issues I have with the statement "If God is a good creator ..."
(1) We could equally state, "If our gods were good creators ..." Why "one God" rather than the many gods of polythestic religions? On what basis do you staunchly presume there was only "one God" and not, say, two? After all, the most highly intelligent species (ahem) on Earth has two genders.
(2) Stating that God created the Universe becomes the teleological argument of a "Designer" who must be at least as complex and purposeful as the designed object. This creates an infinite series of Designers (i.e., who designed the Designer?), and is similar to the "first cause" argument. The argument does not indicate why the designer can be undesigned but the Universe cannot.
(3) What is a "good creator"? Moreover, what is good? Certainly a god that sends its "sinners" into a hellish, twisted damnation for all eternity cannot be considered a "good" God? Or did you not read the George Carlin quote?
And to your note, "If scientific discovery challenges a widely held image or understanding of God ..."
(1) It was once a widely held religious belief that the Earth, as created by God, is only 6,000-10,000 years old. Science has many reliable dating methods that indicate the Earth is at least a million years old. Other dating methods show the Earth to be over 4.5 billion years old.
(2) That the bible's description of the work of God (i.e., Earth and the Universe) contains mistakes is a widely recognized fact. Facts, like the age of the Earth, like The Flood, like the flatness of the Earth have been countered by scientific evidence. Ergo, the widely held image (or understanding) of God has also been (indirectly) challenged by the science method.
(3) You would need to define a "widely held image or understanding of God" before it can be challenged. I used the example of "God created the Universe 6,000-10,000 years ago." However, that was my example, not yours, and until you mention something (that can be challenged) in concrete terms, nothing can ever be challenged. Which, by the way, is quite different than how the scientific method works.
The third point cannot be overstated. You have put forth a postulate, but not defined how to go about challenging it. If you had stated, "If prayer can be tested and shown not to work, then we should consider spending time performing public prayer (i.e., mass) on volunteering to help the homeless, instead." Then we at least could put prayer into the realm of testing. And, ultimately, to a better use. ;-)
As it is, nothing has been dropped on the table -- no bets have been made -- and consequently there is nothing for you to lose.
The quotes and scientific method
In any case, on to your quotes.
I feel bad even looking at Carlin's quote. George Carlin makes money off of angrily shocking audiences. There is no way of knowing if he is sincere to start with. Regardless of that (which I admit is somewhat immaterial) it is a very weak approach. C.S. Lewis identified this type of comment about our faith. What Carlin does is holds up a poorly formed image, based on a gross mis-interpretation of sacred text, creates a caricature of it, then proceeds to make fun of his creation as though anyone has any belief about it, except his own that it is what others believe. It is an image of God not fit for a child. I will admit there are people who claim faith in Christ who portray similar images, but they are a minority in our faith (remember, there are over 1,000,000,000 Christians in the world) that are overly vocal, and not a good representation of those of the faith.
Onto the next quote
"As a scientist, I am hostile to fundamentalist religion because it actively debauches the scientific enterprise. It teaches us not to change our minds, and not want to know exciting things that are available to be known. It subverts science and saps the intellect."
There is a key in this passage, and that is the term fundamentalist. By fundamentalist one can infer Dawkins is referring to the more extreme members of faith, while summarily ignoring more moderate christians, who apply great degrees of intellect, rational though, and questioning into their faith. If he had left out the term fundamentalist, and thus included the majority of Christians (and members of other religions as well, I speak mostly of Christianity because it is the area I have the most experience and training with) then the statement would be false. There is ample evidence to support that fact found in the beliefs of religious people all over the world.
Next, the statement about Abdul Rahman. That was a widely publicized event that was condemned by many people, including VERY many religious people. His persecution is the action of a corrupt dictatorial theocracy (that is government) that has perverted the beliefs and teachings of the church it professes to enforce. It can't be applied to religion in general. Similar persecution happens to people who convert to various religions, or have beliefs not sanctioned by their state. Many restrictions on religious freedom exist in communist China as well, but since that is an atheist government, Dawkins conveniently ignores them. A similar set of actions can be seen in the foundation of the USA when united empire loyalists were killed, burnt out of their homes, harassed, and tarred and feathered for remaining loyal to the crown, rather than having a Republican viewpoint.
In terms of the abortion doctor killers, again, it was a perversion of a Christian teaching. There is no common consensus based on science or any other criteria as to what constitues a human being, with human rights afforded to it. Most Christians consider a being to be human around or at the time of conception, so that makes abortion murder in their eyes, and it can spur passion. However, Christians are called to love all, even those considered 'enemies' and the actions to take the life of another in the manner of this case are decidedly un-Christian. I could just as easily demonstrate perversions of scientific knowledge as it is falsely used to justify political or moral stances, or to create destructive devices.
I agree that Richard Dawkins explores the deplorable in his book. I disagree however that it is the deplorable side of religion itself. It is deplorable things done in the name of religion. Sometimes by brainwashed followers of extremeists, sometimes by a misapplication of power, and quite often, as a convenient scapegoat for hate. But if you think that none of those deplorable things would have happened without religion, you are being very niave and silly. There has been unspeakable amounts of horror committed in the name of religion, but also in the name of power, wealth, political systems, and simple, base hatred. I could just as easily say, 'look at all the lives science has cost us, with modern weaponry, nuclear attacks in WWII, the technologies used in various genocides, the development of the AK-47, unethical medical experimentation and 'cures' that have actually harmed the patients more than helped. I could just as easily ignore all the good science has done, and all the help, knowledge, and humanitarian work it has enabled. Then we would be looking at the issue in the same way. To put it into scientific terms, causality and correlation are not the same thing and shouldn't be confused.
The study about childrens' morals is irrelevant. It is no revelation that children for the large part believe what they are taught by people who they are also taught to trust. All that means is that we need to be diligent in the raising of children. A child who is taught to hate religion and thing that religious people are crazy fools will respond in just as frightening a way as what you described.
In terms of 'first cause', I'm afraid science can't address that issue either. The only two logical outcomes of your arguement are that we are in an infinte series of universes, within an infinite greater context (or set of contexts) of existance, or that we are in some finite system. In either case, the answers like, why is there a system of existance at all, and whether there exists something beyond our ability to observe, measure and postulate. There is always one question larger than the one answered. Thinking otherwise is also a faith, in the definition of something that can't be tested or proven. We can do a thought experiement to show that the first cause principal can't be solved logically, and can't truly be tested. Let's say in a technologically advanced age, we can create some form of life, be it synthetic or biological, that is capable of self awareness, and exploration. We then isolate it in an environment which I can't ever fully explore the full extent of (similar to humans in the universe). We eliminate it's ability to observe us directly, but still maintain an ability to affect it's environment. It can eventually come up with theories about the origin of it's universe, but can't explore effectively beyond that and take purely the view that it exists only as a phenomena of it's environment, or it can ponder if there was one who created it. It then runs into the same dilemma you pose in the first cause argument, even though there is a corporeal creator, albeit one beyond it's ability to understand and observe.
Finally to end this painfully long comment, I am not going to give you what the widely held images of God are... there are many. The image of God by my own faith and taught by my church is dynamic and has changed not only as our scientific views of the universe has, but also as our consciousness, intelligence and morality has. God (or gods if it matters to you) is necessarily too complex to test using simple logic cause and effect type experiements and statistical analysis. Again, a thought experiment. We can study the human endlessly, and come up with all the criteria for development, but we can't predict with any degree of reliability the actions and events of that person's life. Their sentience, and the complexities of their reality make it impossible. It is similar (although not exactly the same) with a creator God but on a much more complex scale.
I am not saying there is no merit to your arguements, and you bring up things a thoughtful religious person should examine and reflect on. But none of your arguments alone or in combination invalidate religion. You can't examine religion on purely scientific principals. It's like saying a tackle in football is unfair because it's not allowed in soccer, or a rook taking a piece in chess is unfair because in checkers you can't move straight across the board. You can draw insights from one to the other, but need to recognize that there are different guiding principals to both.
Belief in Hell
http://www.gallup.com/poll/27877/Americans-More-Likely-Believe-God-Than-Devil-Heaven-More-Than-Hell.aspx
The Gallup Poll reported, in early 2007, that 69% of Americans believe in Hell.
In 2001, nearly 80% of all Americans were Christian (US census, 2001), it seems fair to say that 55.2% (or 80% of 69%) of all Christians believe in Hell. That's 552 million people of your original one billion (cite your source, please). I would call 55.2% a "good representation" of those of the faith. If more than half of all Christians believe in the blazing inferno of Hell's damnation, it implies a belief in the God described by George Carlin. Not, as you claim, a vocal minority, but the under-spoken majority.
Tangent. I will be the first to admit that technological advances (from tanks to atomic weapons to the lowly gun), brought into this world by following the rigors of the scientific method, have been used to cause massive amounts of harm (as an understatement). But which wars fought "in the name" of technology? How many wars were declared against CRT owners by the LCD users? By LP-lovers against CD-buyers? Such a list would pale in comparison to the hundreds of wars fought in the name of gods. Yes, since the first stick was used to strike another being, tools have been used to achieve "loftier goals": a means to an end.
On another topic, I find it funny that when you ask a question, I provide an answer. But when I ask a question, you tend not to answer; I feel my questions are treated as rhetorical, instead of serious inquiries that yearn for a response.
I read flowery, noncommital statements like, "I am not saying there is no merit to your arguements, and you bring up things a thoughtful religious person should examine and reflect on." But nevertheless avoid answering. To reflect on. To fence-sit. To avoid confrontation. To deny. To admit that there is no answer because answering with a concrete position would pull the rug out from your very system of beliefs.
You would have to admit that there is no more reason to believe in many gods than there is to believe in one god. You do so out of doctrine: not because of belief or logic.
It is like trying to play pin the tail on the donkey while the ass is always travelling.
You said, "If scientific discovery challenges a widely held image or understanding of God, then the image must be examined and re-evaluated."
Question #1: What would be a scientific discovery that challenges a widely held image or understanding of God?
Question #2: What is a widely held image of God?
Question #3: What is a widely held understanding of God?
Question #4: What does "examined and re-evaulated" mean?
Are the words "examined and re-evaluated" more flowery terms that are vapid in meaning, backed by inconsequential consequence? Or do they mean something with substance like, "Stop believing in God." And stop making whimsical, dishonest, and (hopefully) metaphorical statements like 'the vibrantly alive person of Jesus'."?
The time for fence sitting is over.
Overlapping Threads of the Tapestry
I have come truly to believe that nothing is as it seems. Yet, to a person who claims that there is no more evidence or consequence in human life between the visions of Freud, Jung, the Buddha or Christ and that of saying our memories were all implanted five minutes ago, or we are all in the Matrix, I can only reply that such a person must be living a very exciting life indeed! And to dispute the claim that there are other types of knowledge than those gained scientifically because they cannot be scientifically proven is to miss the point or beg the question. Or, it is simply to disagree, which is a personal option like any other to which one is entitled. The same with denying reality to theology because one does not believe in God. Such a refutation, albeit by Richard Dawkins, is never going to make theology go away. And if believers are rightly challenged to examine the psychological factors that influence their positions, remember that is a sword which cuts both ways.
Religion as a threat to civilization? Powerful anthropological arguments have been made that religion is rather a source and creator of civilization. Clear historical arguments can be made that often religion is the protector and preserver of civilization. In fact, to an extent, religion IS civilization (visit Florence, or Paris, or Bangkok, to name just a very few). To be sure, there is a recurrent dark current to human nature that is manifest not just in religion, but wherever our psyches are pricked or arrayed in any depth. Fanatical Islamist Taliban blew up statues of the Buddha in Afghanistan; atheist Maoist Communists blew up statues of the Buddha in China during the Cultural Revolution. Are we in line to blow up more of them in the name of something else?
I am not trying to "stop the discussion by appealing to respect for belief"; I am trying to open the discussion by appealing to respect for all.



zero points for originality
http://richarddawkins.net/article,1415,The-fundamentalist-delusion,Barney-Zwartz
http://richarddawkins.net/article,1593,In-God-we-doubt,John-Humphrys-Times-Online
and has been refuted (approximately in order of relevance):
http://richarddawkins.net/article,113,When-Religion-Steps-on-Sciences-Turf,Richard-Dawkins
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sam-harris/science-must-destroy-reli_b_13153.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sam-harris/the-politics-of-ignorance_b_5053.html
http://richarddawkins.net/article,157,Collateral-Damage-1-Embryos-and-Stem-Cell-Research,Richard-Dawkins
http://richarddawkins.net/article,180,Collateral-Damage-Part-2,Richard-Dawkins
http://www.secularhumanism.org/index.php?section=library&page=harris_27_2
http://www.samharris.org/site/full_text/reply-to-kristof1/
http://richarddawkins.net/article,88,The-Emptiness-of-Theology,Richard-Dawkins
Basically, deism (belief that an intelligence created the universe and laws of physics such that life could form, but does not intervene) is logically unfalsifiable. As is the belief that the universe was created five seconds ago, with our memories as they are, or that our universe is a simulation on a computer in a larger universe, or that we are in fact, in the Matrix. However there is no evidence to believe in any of these options. If there is a reason to find one more likely than the others, please share. Otherwise, they must all equally occupy the area of uncertainty one allows for a belief in a god.
Theism, however, where a god has certain characteristics "known" by adherants, and a standard set of beliefs and practices is different. Especially fundamentalist theism, where adherants believe a sacred text is the inerrant word of their god and in the literal truth of every phrase in said text. These are the people who wage war on science, from persecuting Galileo to "intelligent design", opposition to stem cell research, etc. These are also the people who riot over the expression of free speach, set off bombs in schools, and behead those with different beliefs. THIS is why the scientifically minded find the need to speak out. Religious belief is a threat to civilization. Moderates are not helping, because they often try to stop the discussion by appealing to respect for belief, as you are doing here.